Birkhead to Virgie: I'm Not Sharing Dannielynn!

1426.

If the grandmother, Virgie Arthur, HAD been in the picture,
both Anna and Daniel would still be living. If Anna had taken
heed to Mrs. Arthur's warning on national TV, she would be
living now. If Anna hadn't been too drugged to think, and if
she hadn't been convinced that it was SHE that her mother
thought killed Daniel, she wouldn't have made that orchestrated
and ridiculous spectacle on ET making terrible remarks to her
mother while the voice next to her said, "What do you want to
say to her", etc.

This has all been heinous.

People forget the tragedy of the deaths.

Posted at 9:25PM on Apr 19th 2007 by Suzanne

1427. Suzanne -I see your point but also look at site Virgie and Larry to meet privately last page of comments reference paid bloggers that we both agreed on.I do not as you well know like the Stern camp either but unfortunately for both Larry and Vergie the baby even though DNA showed Larry to be the father let us not forget where baby is-in Bahamas !I think a lot of blackmail and bogus stuff being put out .For example things directed at background of Larry and Vergie -what I always call playing two ends against the middle.It has been said by many and validated by Lin Wood that his sole purpose is go after folks in defence of Howard Stern.I like you want what is best for the baby but who can rely on what occurs in the Bahamas as long as Stern is in control !Howard follows Larry everywhere he goes and has said from first he does not want Vergie around and until he gets custody nothing he can do about it.I am in total agreement and I checked with our own family Attorney which said same thing -you have to have custody in writing would be same thing you see when a father is charged with kidnaping simply because his wife or court gave custody to someone else.I also most definitely do like the money issues but you and I both know longer Howard can drag things on more money he makes-so I do not see the baby back in USA anytime soon.Stern has said repeatedly and again today he has no intention of leaving Bahamas .

Posted at 11:28PM on Apr 19th 2007 by Faye Mitchell

1428. Suzanne-What puzzles me the most is validity of what many have stated about paid bloggers.People expressions you can not hide so reflect for a minute when Dr.Baird announced DNA -Larry was happy -Vergie was happy and Howard of course was not! So all of us should stay focused on what is fact cause I for one feel Howard is not going to give up his meal ticket and lot of things having read you ladies comments obvious you are most concerned about welfare of the baby.So let me run this by you from a mans point of view.1.You have the money and ability to create every type negative thing and when you can you make up the source by saying Vergie had a son with her step-brother .2.Then you do same type of thing by saying Larry is a gay person and try to influence public opinion. I think and have been wrong before but whom so far has most to gain by maintaining custody as long as he can.Howard K. Stern!

Posted at 11:49PM on Apr 19th 2007 by irnotdumb

1429.
IRNOTDUMB and FAYE,

Good logic, and it makes a lot of sense. Isn't today the day the
court will decide custody in the Bahamas? I am praying that will
be the end of Stern with this baby, whom he cares nothing about or
he wouldn't have done all he has done. We already know he is
a control freak, and he has a heinous and cruel, heart, or he
couldn't have done all he has already done. Evidently he has
no respect for human beings, no compassion for human
suffering, and neither regard nor respect for the law unless he
can attempt to twist it to his advantage. The only reason he is
cooperating with Larry is because Larry, despite Stern's attempt
to block it, has been proven the father, and because he knows he
can control Larry and cannot control Mrs. Arthur.

I confess that I knew nothing about "blogging" until I got involved
in the death of Daniel Smith, and have followed everything since
that time in this case. I watched with contempt the court hearing
in Florida, which was the most disgusting thing I have ever
witnessed. I have decided that the character of an individual is
to a large extent the same character displayed by his attorneys,
birds of a feather so to speak.

I had pretty much lost confidence in the judicial system in this
country (O.J. and Michael Jackson, for two cases, but look at how
child molesters walk, thanks to idiot judges), and Florida pretty much
put the icing on that cake of total disregard for justice. Now we begin
to realize that the criminals and murderers run this country, and there
is no justice for the victims.

Larry wanted to see his daughter, and the heinous Howard would have
never allowed that had it not been for the courts, the DNA which he did
everything to block, and his strategy then became to "allow" Larry to see
his OWN child (how generous), but it is clear he had motive, which was
to do what he had consistently attempted to do, which was to retain
the control of Anna's assets and estate (what's left of it).

I don't know if there are people paid to write in here. It is certainly boring to read comments from children and idiots, but I have realized a lot from
interesting and informative posts from the two of you and from some others.

I still believe that Larry could have eliminated all problems with Anna's
mother by simply putting in writing what, if he is a good and decent
human being, he planned to do anyway, which is to share that child
with her maternal grandmother. He is not thinking clearly right now,
or he would realize that is the best thing for him, for the child, and
for Mrs. Arthur. Mrs. Arthur is an older woman, retired, and she is
as solid as a rock in her life and in her marriage. She would provide
the support system that Larry will need. I realize there is a paternal
grandmother, too, but we haven't seen her, but we have seen a
sister, a lovely girl who obviously has a loving heart. IF Larry had
done the right thing this week, signing a simple agreement with
Mrs. Arthur, Howard Stern would have been eliminated from the
picture, which is what everybody wants. So, why didn't Larry do
this simple thing? Now he has pushed Mrs. Arthur into suing for
custody, because of the obvious indication that she will be cut
out of the child's life, and because it now appears that there is
collusion between Larry and Howard. Mrs. Arthur is certainly
not alone in not wanting Howard Stern to be involved in the
child's life, nor in the child's Trust fund (if anything is left).

It is mean spirited and churlish to not allow Virgie Arthur to see and to
spend time with her grandchild, especially in view of what happened to
her daughter, and her grandson, Daniel, whom she raised for seven years.
Howard Stern is a contemptible person , and it appears that he has no conscience whatsoever for all he has done. I am hoping and praying that the Bahamians are more reliable than the Floridians were.

I agree with what you said about creating evil pictures of good people,
and having ET falsely bashing Virgie and creating a falsely favorable image
of Howard Stern. I believe we have even seen TMZ doing the same thing
recently, in saying Virgie "raises her head again", which I found very
disgusting, and it certainly had no merit.

The bottom line here in my view is that Howard Stern made a lot of
money selling Anna, selling the funeral, now selling pictures of the
baby, and millions of dollars can be spread around, especially if it
is "easy come, easy go". Now he is making a hit for money
suing John O'Quinn, a respected man who is known for his
generosity to charity. Howard Stern looks worse all the time,
and if he wants someone to make him look better why doesn't he
do it himself by being a decent human being?

I am perplexed that the Bahamian court has allowed Howard Stern
to interfere with their court system by causing the delay of the Inquest.
He was already fined $10,000 for filing a frivolous suit. Why has he
been allowed to meddle with and question the Bahamian court
procedures?

Larry could have prevented all these problems by simply doing the
right thing.

Posted at 8:11AM on Apr 20th 2007 by Suzanne

1430. So you all feel the baby should be raised by a women who is ultimately responsible for her daughter becoming a drug addict, I say this because of apparent abuse in her childhood and mother was aware of it, did nothing to stop it, so daughter runs away from home. It's been a proven fact that children who suffer child abuse of any form, have their own ways of dealing and coping with it, Anna chose drugs/medication.

You all are over looking the fact that Anna had an addiction way before Howard came into the picture, Vergie admitted to that in the Florida courts, and then still has the audacity to blame Howard for her addiction.

You all try to compare this supposive murder to, OJ, Scott Peterson, Robert Blake etc., this does not compare because there was not a murder, you all need to get over it, the fact is it was ruled an accidental death and all of your theories won't change it!

Posted at 9:23AM on Apr 20th 2007 by In It For 15 Minutes Of Fame

1431.
1437 - Well, that is what you want us to think, and I presume it is your opinion. I am mystified at how you blame Mrs. Arthur for the path Anna chose
in life. Despite the efforts of her mother to stop Anna from drugs
and from keeping bad company, Anna pursued that lifestyle. There is
now a tendency for adults to attempt to blame parents for their own
mistakes, and they refuse to take the responsibility for their own actions.
That is ridiculous.

This is my opinion of rumors, distortions of the truth, and the history
of persons involved in this fiasco. First, I lend little credence to the
lurid stories conjured by Anna to make her appear like Marilyn Monroe.
She was no Marilyn Monroe, and spinning an image like Marilyn's life
did not make it true. Also, many people had early marriages that
failed, and sometimes it took a while for people to get stabilized in life.
I imagine if most of the people who write these blogs were investigated
they would have had early marriages that failed or several marriages.
Most lives cannot stand up under scrutiny, especially if distortions of
the truth are involved.

I admire people who had a poor start in life, who made mistakes, who rectified those mistakes and who succeeded for many years in building successful lives. Virgie Arthur is such a person. She overcame difficulties in years when women could not make a living wage, and served for 28 years as an honored police officer, succeeded with her other children, raised Daniel for seven years, and has been married for over 20 years to a wonderful man who obviously is a good and supportive person, and a kind person. Rumors, outright lies, and distortions of the truth do not interest me.
What people make of their lives when they overcome adversities is
what interests me. I respect Virgie Arthur, I have little respect for the
person Anna was.

I have great concern for baby Danielynn, who is now being sold for
pictures, and who needs a solid and loving home, and protection.
I have only seen Larry, his sister, and a glimpse of his twin brother.
His parents are divorced, and I have never seen nor read anything
about HIS mother. Since Larry has not reciprocated with the loyalty
Mrs. Arthur gave him, and since he poses for tabloids with the baby,
selling pictures, and since he may have made deals with Howard,
I am now wondering if he is mature enough to provide a solid home,
and if he will be home enough to give the baby the nurturing she
desperately needs. She is the innocent and helpless one in this
overall picture. Clearly Howard Stern has demonstrated that he is
not the appropriate person for being in this child's life, and he has
no real connection to this child.

Mrs. Arthur has a right to be outraged at the treatment
she has received from Howard Stern, and now from Larry with whom she had been aligned and after she gave him her total support. Ahhhh, but that was before the DNA proved he was the father, and then
he had a stronger stand, although unfortunately he is apparently under the
control of Stern, who has an exalted opinion of himself from all appearances. He stood at a podium grandly announcing that Larry
could "visit his own child", and in a house that isn't even Howard's home
but in which home he is not only an interloper, but is a squatter.

Isn't today the day the court will decide custody in the Bahamas? I am praying that will be the end of Stern with this baby. Evidently he has
no respect for human beings, no compassion for human
suffering, and neither regard nor respect for the law unless he
can attempt to twist it to his advantage. The only reason he is
cooperating with Larry is because Larry, despite Stern's attempt
to block it, has been proven the father, and because he knows he
can control Larry and cannot control Mrs. Arthur.

Larry wanted to see his daughter, and Howard would have
never allowed that had it not been for the courts, the DNA which he did
everything to block, and his strategy then became to "allow" Larry to see
his OWN child (how generous), but it is clear he had motive, which was
to do what he had consistently attempted to do, which was to attempt to
retain the control of Anna's assets and estate (what's left of it).

As much as Larry longed to spend time with his daughter, he seems to have little or no concern for the fact that Mrs. Arthur has not seen this child at all,
a travesty he has made no effort to correct, so I have no reason to believe
Larry Birkhead has any notion whatsoever to do the right thing.

I still believe that Larry could have eliminated all problems with Anna's
mother by simply putting in writing what, if he is a good and decent
human being, he planned to do anyway, which is to share that child
with her maternal grandmother. He is not thinking clearly right now,
or he would realize that is the best thing for him, for the child, and
for Mrs. Arthur. Mrs. Arthur is an older woman, retired, and she is
as solid as a rock in her life and in her marriage. She would provide
the support system that Larry will need. I realize there is a paternal
grandmother, too, but we haven't seen her, but we have seen a
sister, a lovely girl who obviously has a loving heart. IF Larry had
done the right thing this week, signing a simple agreement with
Mrs. Arthur, Howard Stern would have been eliminated from the
picture, which is what everybody wants. So, why didn't Larry do
this simple thing? Now he has pushed Mrs. Arthur into suing for
custody, because of the obvious indication that she will be cut
out of the child's life, and because it now appears that there is
collusion between Larry and Howard.

You presume too much. The Investigation in Florida was finished,
but it was stated that the case remains open in Florida and is not closed. Despite the fact that he is listed as a witness in the Inquest in the Bahamas,
Howard has done all he could to stop the Inquest. However, the
Inquest WILL continue. Anna would have been a witness had she
lived.

Posted at 10:26AM on Apr 20th 2007 by Suzanne

1432.
CS

Stern, perhaps?

Yes, Larry is happy and hopes to leave soon with his child.
He should never have had to wait for SEVEN MONTHS to
see and to be with his baby girl.

I am quite sure he has the ethics and the character to share this
baby with her MOTHER'S MOTHER, her GRANDMOTHER.
Her mother, Anna, would have wanted that if she hadn't been stoned
on drugs 24-7 during her pregnancy and even more so afterward.

We cannot insult Larry by thinking he might cruel and evil enough
to block Mrs. Arthur, deprived of and grieving for her daughter and
her grandson, both now DEAD, from being a part of the life of the
child who was left bereft of her mother and her brother.

In order for us to believe Larry would be that cruel and inhuman we would have to believe him to be a monster. And we know that isn't true.

Posted at 2:45PM on Apr 22nd 2007 by Suzanne

1433. Suzanne, why do you presume that Anna was stoned 24/7? There are SEVERAL photographs of her that have circulated, pictures of her with Dannielynn, where her eyes were clear, she appeared lucid, she was smiling and happy looking and didnt look in the least bit "stoned". When she was high, her eyelids were at half-mast and she didnt appear to be able to control her facial expressions very well. Even when she was giving her "mommy dearest" interview, she was slurring a little but did not appear to be nearly as "high' as she appeared to be in later interviews. And we all know that 51 seconds of video, out of HOURS of video, can be made to look like one thing, but can be something ENTIRELY different when viewed IN CONTEXT. Remember Rodney King?

I think you have been incredibly unfair in your assumptions and judgements throughout this whole "ordeal". You have picked and chosen what you want to believe, regardless of the facts. You vilify Howard without any proof (or charges against him) that he has done anything except enable two people, and you beatify Virgie, whom you call an "honored" police officer. What HONORS was she ever awarded? What "honors" did she ever receive? Hmmm, turns her 15 year old daughter loose because she doesnt want to deal with her (her job was too important), has a son whom, at 21, commits felonious acts (at least one for which he was CAUGHT), who knows what else. WITH HER ACTIONS AS A SHINING EXAMPLE TO HER DAUGHTER, IT IS NO SURPRISE HER DAUGHTER ENDED UP DEAD AT 39!! She probably would have ended up dead even if she had never been "discovered". Who the hell parties with their underage children, while she is a COP, TO BOOT? The woman was no saint, and you shouldnt try to make it like she is.

As far as Larry goes...You tend to forget that Larry knew Howard for at least the length of time that he knew Anna. You forget that he probably knew Howard WELL, since Howard was always around. I am sure Larrry knows more about Howard (and vice versa), than ANY of us know about either one of them. Larry and Howard may not have liked eachother too much, but I think both would have an interest in "upholding" Anna's wishes where her mom was concerned (and more in common than we may think , because of their feelings for Anna and DL). I have to believe, from what Howard and Larry testified, that Anna discussed how she felt about her mom with BOTH men. Larry MAY decide to give Virgie the benefit of the doubt, but he is under NO OBLIGATION to ALLOW Virgie access to Dannielynn. Either way, I would be SUPER cautious where Virgie is concerned, I dont buy for one minute that that woman is what she is portraying herself as. Let her come back to Texas and sue him for visitation, he is a US citizen, and as such, can take his daughter and leave and to hell with what the courts decide in the Bahamas.

And as someone who "would have" done things differently, I have to say, dont think for one second that Virgie could not have intervened in Anna and Daniel's lives YEARS ago if she had wanted to. She knew her daughters history, she knew her history with her
grandson, it would have been EASY to have Anna committed as someone who could be a harm to herself or others, especially after some of her TV appearances, during her reality show, or even after Daniel's death. I think its INCREDIBLY telling that Daniel, as a teenager and young adult, didnt try to have some sort of relationship with her. SOMEONE could have snuck the number for him, given him a phone card, something, if he wanted to talk to her and Anna didnt want him to. He may have lived in Virgie's house for a few years, but obviously she wasnt THAT much of an influence on him, since he seemed to forget her as soon as he was out of her house. Because of the fact that he didnt try to pursue a relationship with her, when he got older, I have to believe that the reports that say that Anna and Daniel together lived with Virgie, not just Daniel exclusively. Virgie really didnt know him, and she really didnt know her daughter that well either. We will never know how much of what has been reported about alleged abuse is true, and how much is not, but because of Anna's actions, how she lived her life, etc., it easy to believe SOMETHING happened. Should she have taken responsibility for her life and not allowed herself to become her own victim? Sure, but she DIDNT. And we all see whats left of Anna being a "victim".

If I were Larry, I would take the baby far away from everyone. I would make Virgie prove that she was in no way interested in making money off of Dannielynn (having a nice confidentiality contract drawn up, maybe) and make her adhere to strict supervised visitation, until she proved that she was NOT the person Anna accused her of being. And if she was really interested in just being a G R A N D M O T H E R, then she would agree. She would have nothing to hide, and nothing to lose. Would Larry be a "bad person" for asking this of her, of course not, just a cautious daddy.

OH, and the case was C L O S E D in Florida, the Seminole Police stated that. It can be REOPENED at any time, but is currently CLOSED.

Posted at 1:46AM on Apr 23rd 2007 by diva

1434.
Diva,

I think you make a lot of assumptions yourself, and you have no idea what Anna said to Larry or Howard about her mother. You are only assuming
things and spinning. Anna's orchestrated tirade on ET, while Howard prompted her from the side and is heard also saying, "what do you want to SAY to her" had no validity at all, other than her anger, and her wanting to appear like Marilyn Monroe with a bad childhood. Many of us believe the TV tirade was because Howard convinced Anna that her mother said on national TV that Anna killed Daniel. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Actually, her mother suspected Howard, since he was the only other person in the room, and that appears to be why he instigated the insults to Mrs. Arthur and made a mockery of Anna's funeral with his comments, and in his having it filmed for money. Even in her death he still used Anna as a money maker.

You want to blame Anna's mother for her drug addition? Well, don't you think that is a little bizarre, since Larry testified that it was Howard who brought in the satchel full of drugs, and since the prescriptions were in Howard's name, and who do you think was injecting Anna in the buttocks where she got the virulent infection? You think her mother was doing all that? You can spin anything you want to, but Anna was heavily drugged, the nannies have testified to that. Also, you want to blame Anna's mother for her death? That is the most ridiculous and irrational thing I have ever heard. I think we ALL know better than THAT, Diva.

So far as blaming parents is concerned, a policy to which I wouldn't subscribe unless there were true validity for it, but where were Howard's parents when he needed parenting? Evidently they didn't do such a fine job, from his life style and all HE has done. They were supporting him, Anna was supporting him, and he has done a lot worse things from all appearances than Anna, Larry or Virgie could have even dreamed of doing. You must be in a dream world if you can't see that. How can you blame Anna's mother for the mess Anna made of her life, and not blame the Sterns for all Howard has done, pray tell?

I'm not presuming anything about Anna's being on drugs 24-7. The Nannies said she was, I saw her on ET, we saw her Christmas with her hair stringy and slurring her words, we saw the Clown video (deplorable and outrageous), and we heard testimony that she was falling down constantly and was drugged. We saw a video of her lying on the ground practically passed out. Why do you want to deny what is true, as if we don't know.

You have your facts distorted, and you are confusing Mrs. Arthur's ex-husband's children with her children. The constant criticisms of Anna's mother sound rabid and ignorant. If you want to blame someone
for Anna's losing her son to a mysterious death, and for her death, and because Larry didn't see his daughter for seven months, you don't need to be looking at Virgie Arthur. It seems demented, all things considered.

Yes, Larry knew Howard well, and he and Anna had to rent an apartment to have any privacy from Howard. Larry has a kind heart, so he persuaded Anna to put Howard in the baby book as the uncle. But, Howard then stated he was the actual father. Howard wanted Larry to sign "agreements" before he could even see his daughter, something Larry's attorney advised him against. Using a baby as a pawn would be as low as it gets.  And keeping Anna's mother from seeing the baby is next.  Of course I am just speaking of human decency here.  And a little integrity would help. Also, what precluded the first birth certificate's from being valid?  After all, it WAS the birth certificate. A valid birth certificate with the name Larry and Anna selected, Hannah Rose Smith. Anna wanted Ben Thompson to sign the
birth certificate. Larry should have been there when the baby was born.
If he had been, and if he and Anna had resolved the differences that had
been caused, Anna and Daniel would still be living, and all would be well.
Even if Larry had been given the baby after Anna's death, as he should have been, none of this money would have been spent, nor would the baby have been held captive in a home that belongs to Ben Thompson from which he
had repeatedly evicted Howard Stern to no avail.

Larry is not a heartless wretch who will deny Anna's mother access to the baby, nor of being the baby's grandmother. Larry is not a cold blooded monster. When all this is over, the Inquest has been completed,
and justice has been done, Larry and Virgie Arthur will be friends. Larry, Larry's family, and Virgie's family, will provide a normal and happy life for Anna's baby, and she will be secure, protected, and loved.

The sooner the better.

Posted at 12:58PM on Apr 23rd 2007 by Suzanne